“But is there a heaven?” he asked in all seriousness.
“Well,” I replied, “I think, um, I think that depends on how you define ‘heaven.’”
Son Sean, 12 at the time, looked at me blankly. “Whatd’ya mean?” he asked earnestly.
I felt my heart squeeze, like a little fairy had gone inside my chest and pinched the throbbing red muscles just to tease me. Whenever my son looked at me with his innocent boy’s face, trying so hard to understand the life he had been brought into, my heart was tweaked by this little pixie.
“I mean,” I said, clearing my throat, “that heaven, the word heaven, means different things to different people. It kind of depends on what they believe in. What their religion is. Who, or what, their God is, and what God and heaven signifies to them.”
Sean’s expression turned to disappointment – in me and my convoluted explanation.
“Well, you know that there has to be a baboon heaven,” he exclaimed matter-of-factly.
“What?”
“A baboon heaven. How do you explain a baboon heaven?” Sean’s voice noted exasperation.
“What is a baboon heaven, Sean?” I asked quietly, gently. As he grew frustrated, I wanted to keep the conversation calm.
Sean explained: “If there’s a heaven for people, then there has to be a heaven for baboons, since we’re evolved from baboons.” As proud as he was with his pronouncement, I could also tell that he wanted me to either trip up on this theory, or agree with him that there was no heaven for anyone, baboon or human being. Or, he wanted me to tell him, for sure, that heaven only existed for good people.
“Of course there are baboons in heaven, Sean, just as there are dogs, and cats, and any being that has a soul or a spirit. You told me you don’t believe that Tory is ‘just’ a dog, that she’s a special being. Do you think that she’ll go to heaven when she dies?”
There, I’d turned the question around to him.
Silence ensued. The pause ticked into a minute, and we heard the click of the toaster oven downstairs, informing us that the morning bagels were probably overdone. We needed to leave for school in five minutes.
“Do you?” he retorted, finally.
“Yes, I do. But I think of heaven as not something ‘up there’ or ‘in the sky,’ but rather a place that’s all around us.”
Sean looked around the wallpapered bedroom. The 7 a.m. rainbowed-sun shone through the large picture window, reflecting the glimmer of the Bay water below us.
“Hmph,” he replied as he walked out the door and down the stairs to breakfast.
“Do you believe there’s a heaven, Sean?” I called out to him.
“I know I don’t want to die to find out,” he yelled back over his 12-year-old shoulders.
Perfectly timed in line with my own sentiments and beliefs. All around us is right, and better to dream about it than to have to “find out”. Loved this, and the rainbow.
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Nice response! May you always have rainbows in your dreams…
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I wonder if Sean has had a similar conversation yet with one of his kids….?
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Give them a couple more years, then I am SURE Sean will be inundated with similar questions!
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I love how kids question everything although sometimes it’s hard to scrabble a fitting answer. This is cute, Mom. I think you did well. ❤
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Thank you. You describe it well – how we parents ‘scrabble’ to find the right answer, trying so hard not to hesitate or stammer, so it seems like we know it all. Ha!
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Never let them see you sweat. Nevah! 😀
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It is said that once upon a time, you could reach heaven just north of the GG Bridge.
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And once you drive through the ‘Rainbow Tunnel,’ you have reached the end of the rainbow… I know!
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I love you weekly writings! Sean too.
Jeanette
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Thank you Jeanette! I am honored that you read my posts. xo
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Oh my gosh, this is a zinger, Pamela. Christ himself instructed “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes a little child like this in My name welcomes Me.” Matthew 18. Thank you for sharing your son’s deep child-like wisdom.
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And thank you for sharing this post on Twitter. I now listen carefully to the questions and comments of my under 6-years-old grandchildren. Their insights are enlightening!
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I’d have got a slap plus extra RI lessons at school if I’d openly questioned such an article of faith at that age 🙂 Thank goodness children are shown how to think for themselves these days.
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Oh my, I forgot about the rigidity of some institutions. Yes, I much prefer the ‘open your mind and question’ approach with kids. Thanks for your comment, Roy.
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Sometimes we don’t always have to give a long explanation to 12 year olds. They are looking for a simple answer. It’s us “adults” that think we have to explain the theory of relativity! LOL! I think he was quite wise as his young self. Wouldn’t you like to be a fly on the wall when HE gets those same questions! 🙂
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So true. Simplicity is the truth in life. And YES, I hope to hear Sean’s answers to his own boys’ questions!!
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You did good, Mom! Although, I don’t think he was satisfied by not getting the answer out of you that he wanted to hear.
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That boy came up with many tricky questions…and I suffered through each and every one. He’s still asking, and I’m still trying… 🙂
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Kids always know how to ask great questions and then come up with a simple answer that satisfies their needs. I just love it and yes you did good.
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So funny that as much as I struggled to answer such a ‘complicated’ question, my boy just wanted a fast quick answer. I think he’s discovered that there is no such thing!
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Oh, this is so precious. They certainly know how to ask the big questions out of the blue, and they’re so deceptively simple sounding…but, as you so wonderfully showed, the answers are quite tricky…sweet, funny and profound, loved it – thanks for sharing Pam. Blessings, H xxx
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I love your responses to my blog posts – you make me feel good all over. THANK YOU. xo
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This brings back memories of me asking my parents and grandparents similar questions – and they all had different answers! But my grandfather explained that the most important questions have no certain answers and that we all need to work it out for ourselves. I hope I will be able to convey that thought as eloquently to my granddaughters in the future, when they are ready…
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